The Latest, Greatest Pile of Player/Reviewer/Internal Feedback
Published on August 31, 2010 By ScottTykoski In Elemental Dev Journals

Well, here it is - our list of feedback as compiled from several review sites, this forum, other forums, and our own Q/A team. There are a few more sites I need to pick apart, but in general I feel this covers many of the egregious issues (but feel free to note anything we’ve overlooked...we want to be as thorough as possible).

The ‘Major Issues’ are the ones you’ll be seeing fixed ASAP. Ideas/suggestions will be re-prioritized and completed as proper solutions are determined.



- Major List (Crashes/Stability/Etc.) -

  1. Late game Slowdown!!!!
    1. Tweaking LODs on tile designs so they fade out better
    2. Any code tweaks that improve this
    3. P:\Ken\Elemental Testing\Aug28\AutoSave.EleSav
      1. late auto-play game from Ken, 30k turns in
    4. Slowdown between turns
    5. Feedback
      1. “my only real gripe (other than the balance tweaks, and improvements to the tech tree and magic system *grins*) is with the "end game" slow.... churn....... of............. death..................... “
      2. “the game just become VERY slow. I have good computer, I do not think it should slow down like that. More over, it seems that it just hits some kind of barrier, like in 20 turns around turn 150 it converts from OK to run game, to nearly impossible to run.”
      3. “Is anyone else's games slowing down by the time they get to turn 100? This is on small maps and without fail after awhile, there's a slight delay to everything I'm doing. Unless I zoom to cloth map mode I basically have a half second lag to every command I attempt which is super annoying.”
  2. Memory Leaks
    1. On Win7-64 machines with ATI Cards...
      1. “Now that the game has bitten me, I am getting the 'out of memory' error on my very beefy new home rig. It's Win7-64 and an ATI card. This needs to be fixed.”
      2. “I started getting the 'out of memory' error after about 300 turns.This is the ATI+Win7 thing, right? ”
  3. Alt+Tab Crashes
  4. City Details List
    1. Paul gave his dxpacks to me for this screen, so I can look at hooking it up when I’m done with the data.zip app (charles)
  5. XML Fixes
  6. Console App for making Data.zip
  7. MP Specific spellbook
    1. No Tactical Spells
    2. Low, High level strategic counterparts to former tactical spells
  8. MP Specific ADVENTURE trees
    1. kingdom renamed “Exploration”
    2. empire renamed  “Exploitation”
    3. add quest related techs removed and stitched up
  9. Magic Calculations / More Exciting magic system/ Mana Regen
    1. build do min-max damage, not 0-max (Bruno), DONE NO CHECKED IN.
    2. feedback
      1. “The schools are not sufficiently distinct from each other. Mana regen is too slow for pure casters. The damage done by magic scales poorly against more advanced squads.”
      2. “the spells are boring beyond belief although I did like the spells that you could cast on your cities. However, the tactical spells are all the same with a few minor differences between them.
      3. “Mana regeneration 1 mana / turn makes tactical magic system pretty much useless later in the game.  Most of my battles are might focused because of mana regeneration limits.  I expect to use at least one tac magic per battle, yet the current mana regeneration system makes it impossible. I believe I was able to use tac magic effectively in about 1 battle out of 90 battle fought due to this limit.”
  10. Late game Stuck Turn-buttons
    1. Some are reported to be fixed by disabling auto-explore
    2. others are thought to be caused by auto-resolve battles not playing properly
    3. Feedback
      1. “Finally had a gamebreaking bug actually - Dunno what happened, the game isn't locked up or anything, but if I try to advance to the next turn nothing happens, reloaded the game a few times, looks like I'll have to see what my autosaves look like.”
  11. If the user places a building with a ‘x per city’ limit, they will be able to keep placing them if you dont click off or reselect another improvement (Anthony)
    1. “When building just about anything, I find that the cursor 90% of the time will not reset, and I can build a second copy of it (doesn't matter if it's a Faction wonder, Royal wonder, whatever) in the same city.” (http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=73945&page=26)
  12. Gold from treaties isn’t properly given to the player
    1. https://forums.elementalgame.com/393881
  13. AI Improvements
    1. Protecting its Sovereign / No Suicide Attacks
      1. “So I head up to his next city...it falls quickly...enemy king was inside and has been ejected on one side....he's in my territory. Attack again and he dies....War ends, much larger empire collapses...they really need to make sure the AI protects its kings if this is going to be magic bullet way to win a war you shouldn't be able to”
      2. “My current game is going well so far, although three empires fell to my sword by sending their sovereign into my territory without a strong army at their back. Silly AI.”
    2. Ships?
      1. “I've heard player's mention that there's also no tactical battle yet for boats either, but this doesn't seem to be an issue since I have never, ever seen an A.I. ship -- it would make me think twice about carrying my doom stacks if I did.”
    3. Using Magic More
      1. “ I hope Brad teaches it what to do with magic sometime. It ain't gonna make me gnash my teeth helplessly if it doesn't take advantage of the game mechanics...Just one spell immune bone ogre would have beaten me fair and square. Just one! My troops were so terrible even a deflected, hasted unit or two wouldn't have saved the day. They had three of the buggers!”
    4. City Building
      1. “...I saw one [AI city] made up entirely of 13 houses. It's food production was completely in the negative and they had the little fish sign over it. There was no reason why it should have had that many houses and absolutely NOTHING else.”
  14. Sound Cutting Out in Late-Game
    1. “I have still sound issues and graphic issues as well. After about 2~3 hours playing, all the music completed phase out.”
    2. Sound cuts out then crash (https://forums.elementalgame.com/394320)



- Minor List -

  1. A pioneer on a boat can build a city in the water
    1. “I loaded a transport with a pioneer, noticed that the pioneer could still build a settlement so I did. On water. Couldn't make any improvements, but I could make units.”
  2. Upgrade paths for Minor cities
    1. 3 levels, or the full 5 levels of upgrade options?
    2. Crystal Mining Settlement
    3. Ore Mining Settlement
    4. Arcane Settlement
    5. Technological Settlement
  3. Teleoprt Spell Confusion/Bugs
    1. Can’t use the teleport spell if the leader isn’t casting it
      1. “I cast the spell to give another leader spell casting ability.That worked, he got 6 mana. He is in my killer stack with the sovereign. I made him active and tried to cast teleport, because the whole purpose was to save all the sovereign's mana for combat that I was always using to teleport. He spent the 5 mana, but the stack didn't move.....”
    2. Only your territory can be targeted, even though it says “Friendly”
      1. “...it still says 'friendly' in the description. It doesn't go to territories with non-aggression agreements, so I can't figure out what the difference is.”
  4. Random Crashing, apparently from Caravans
    1. “But I think there's a pattern now. Seems like every time a caravan gets killed and has already established a road, that the new caravan (under some bizarre bug, I assume) is so fast it gets to the trade target instantly once I dispatch it, and that somehow crashes the game.”
  5. BASIC, SHORT, TUTORIAL
    1. “There is a reasonably long learning curve involved here.  However, it is far less than the curve for a "comparable" game like Civilization.”
  6. Stacking of Items (Scott)
    1. can no longer quipe INFINITE # of items - handled both in the CChampion level (see Equip Accessory) and in the UI
      1. “ There is no limit on the numbers of magical things you can equip on a hero so you can (for instance) put on scores of things that let you take more actions in combat which really distorts things.”
      2. “My hero units can wear infinite numbers of amulets, rings, and other packs... In time, my one hero unit wiped out everything in the map. (the hero wears 100s of amulets and 100s or rings)”
    2. probably want to discuss the proper ‘slot’ system that we want to eventually use (2 rings, 1 pack, etc, etc) for but now this beats the ‘no limit’ system in 1.06
      1. “...no i don't need d2/wows lame equipment pane.  A better UI and definitely 2 rings/1 ammy are musts, but frankly, the whole hack/slash/action genre has been using that same weak UI forever now”
  7. Difficult to determine if a tile is a ‘Beach’ when docking a ship
    1. Should have icons/some way to identify beaches  on tactical map
    2. “I discovered that there are places that look like beaches but which aren't considered beaches. ...seems they show up where two different types of terrain come together.”
    3. “...my plan to load a pioneer on a ship and then go found a city along the coast doesn't seem to be working, [I can’t dock and unload the Pioneer] even when there is a slope available.”
  8. Opponents Placed in order of first available Starting Position
    1. The problem with is this that, in general, map makers will place starting positions in relative proximity (1, then 2 nearby, then 3 near that, etc) expanding outwards.
      1. “so for every map does the player start in the middle? it seems like im always in the middle blocking off all the countries from each other so nothing ever happens”
    2. We need to COMPLETELY RANDOMIZE the starting placement of these races.
  9. Misc
    1. “I built a transport boat, had it leave the city... into a land tile. It was stuck forever.”
    2. “I built a city a tile or two away from the water. I could only build stuff on the 4 squares between the city and the water, no matter how large the influence was.”
      1. This may be the “cannot place a building x tiles from another city”...perhaps not being notified properly?
    3. ”The first summon that the "evil" tech tree gets (names are escaping me ATM) has a move that hits the entire field for 10 damage - it's way OP but I'm not complaining. The first couple of times I used that ability, however, the entire screen got covered in stretched-out particle-effect-looking artifacts.”



- Bugs -

  1. Stacking with an Enemy unit instead of Attacking Them
    1. “Any reason I would get an attack icon and then stack with the bandit instead of killing him like I need to?...Went away when I rebooted and reloaded....”
  2. AI will not accept a treaty, even though they say it’s cool
    1. “How do you get trade treaties to work? No matter what I do, he says the treaty is not acceptable...Istart off purposing the trade and its not balanced. I add gold until the "sounds good, I accept" button lights up. Then when I click it, he says he can not accept. I have even added over 2x the gold needed to make it acceptable. People have said they get this to work. What am I missing?”
    2. “If you don't hit "ok" on the gold popup then even if you see the gold on the menu with the trade treaty it doesn't seem to apply it.”  <-- I thought this was alright behavior, if you don’t click OK the deal cancels and reverts to what it was before, should it not do that? (from Sarah)
  3. Resoln “Death Worsiping” Ability not working, or not displayed properly?
    1. “ I still don't know what the death worship does for the Empire of Resoln. It says it gives a 10 HP bonus, but to who or what does it give it to.”
  4. Twitchy Mouse
    1. https://forums.elementalgame.com/392527
    2. “The game has odd mouse and hotkey problems and reminds me of the Disciples 3 release in that manner.”
    3. “Yeah, the mouse gets all wonky and only wants to move barely one unit portrait over.” (talking about the city context ‘stationed units’ medallion list)
  5. City Build List Listing Buildings Incorrectly?
    1. “I have yet to divine why some cities are allowed to build some improvements and not others.  That is especially frustrating when, for instance, I have specialized the cities by building them near map resources like lost temples, only to find out that even when they reach level 4 or 5, I cannot access the temples in those cities, but can in cities with no arcane labs even yet built!”
  6. Unit Designs remain available from Game-Within-A-Game
    1. “Another bug, I presume, is that when you start a new game you seem to still have access to some of your unit designs from the previous game(s). I could train Kingdom peasants while controlling an Empire sovereign/race. Plus I think it even showed the option for party without me having researched it, though I didn't have the resources to try if that worked.”
  7. Build City Camera Weirdness
    1. “...the camera bug is the one that happens if you have city zoom view off, where you click somewhere and it just pops your building somewhere else. I think the connecting resources to your city is by design, because if they are connected they are counted as 'part' of the city and roamer NPCs can't demolish them.”




- Ideas / Suggestions -

  1. Random Events
    1. “These are needed. World-cracking, terrain deforming, and devastating random events that make the turns more than just waiting for your troops to finish so you can send off a third army to the front, down to as mundane as...you get a new fertile tile. Random Events are a staple [in 4x], not because they are "cool,"...but because they give some rather jarring aspects to the game that players need to react to...”
    2. “We definitely need random events (it's shocking that it's not in here already)! ”
  2. Battle Improvements
    1. Damage Calculations
      1. “A lot of games use 1DN rolls,  they are quick, easy to implement, and WRONG.” (https://forums.elementalgame.com/392880)
    2. Attack and Resistance types (blunt, piercing, fire, lighting, etc)
      1. need to be properly listed in the UI
    3. AI
      1. “The tactical AI also doesn't work well and just seems to pick one target and ignore all else while beating a path to it.
    4. Formations
      1. “... the initial formation cannot be changed by the user (or perhaps I was just never smart enough to discover how)... The ability to start a battle with your archers at the rear, melee forward and hero where you need him would be a very nice improvement to the game.”
    5. vs. AutoResolve
      1. “And yeah, the auto resolve sucks big time. I've actually lost archers in scenarios where only a couple of slow enemies were involved.”
    6. Overall Feedback
      1. “Tactical combat is too simplistic. It needs more decisionmaking. Different damage types (and defenses against each), zones of control, attacks of opportunity, etc. Right now, it's just 'ranged guys in back, infantry up front and rumble'”
      2. “ wish there was a way to speed up animations during tactical battles. Autoresolving is not an option, since that almost always results in some unit taking damage. Clicking through battle after battle watching my longbowmen mow down enemies gets old. Is there a way to speed up animations?”
  3. Champions
    1. Leveling
      1. “I really liked how Heroes level up in games like AoW or King's Bounty. I like being able to choose new abilities to further customize them as they level up, not just adding a stat point here and there.”
    2. Overall Feedback
      1. “....Champions are really, basically totally uninteresting. It costs too much gold to kit them out so that they can actually battle against anything (and even then, they will still be in huge trouble against any sort of mid/late-game monster). No decisions in upgrading, except whether to make them mages or warrior. The only point in the game when they are really useful is in the start to explore. Meh.”
      2. “This is one of the reasons why NPC warriors just aren't that useful. If you get a NPC adventurer up to level 7, no matter how well armed and armored he is, or where you've put his points on level up, he is just not going to compare well to some stack of 12 regular units with their stats all added together.” (discussing the strength of unit groups)
  4. More Uniqueness to the Factions
    1. people like varied text, saw folks comparing Procipinee’s attitude towards the fallen in comparison to Relias
      1. “I don't get the complaint that the factions aren't "memorable". They each seem to have their own quirks to me. Procipinee opens every first contact with an Empire with something equivalent to "I will f***ing end you!", and seems to be the most likely one out of the Kingdoms to go to war. Her text alone seems to infer that she's one crazy zealot toward's wiping the Empires out. Though she's as friendly as she could be toward's other Kingdoms.” (http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=73945&page=29)
    2. ask for unique buildings, tech, units, spells, etc.
      1. “I'd like this more if the kingdoms weren't all so samey”
      2. “One thing that I think they should have taken from Alpha Centauri is the way that the voice overs for the various techs and wonders really fleshed out the factions. Right now it feels like the world isn't exactly generic fatasy but not really fleshed out either.”
      3. “Also, I still can't believe that every goddamn unit you can produce (that I've seen, at least) is a fucking human with a different outfit. GC2 had a bunch of different chassis' (is that the right plural form?), games like Alpha Centauri had plenty of different base templates to build from...but this seems to just have "human" to build from.”
      4. “Well... if you research the right upgrades, you can unlock the ability to create darkling and ogre and spider units and stuff? But you can't modify them. That's all I got. I do hope more crazy races are in the works.”
      5. “Some basic simple visual differences between different faction towns would just be nice. "Tarthans" I think are the most distinctive faction but their towns don't seem very "Tarthan", and neither do much of their game mechanics.”
  5. UI Improvements
    1. City Building
      1. “it is often hard to figure out why you cannot do something, such as construct a building. The lacking element does appear in red font -- but *all* the material requirements appear in a (very slightly darker) red font.”
      2. need to show the Queue and the city resources at the same time
    2. Diplomacy
      1. “Is there a way to see how many turns there are left in a non-agression treaty?”
    3. Unit Design
      1. “The costs/effect of various pieces of equipment are all over the map--so much so that it's actually kind of a chore to design anything, because you have to spend all sort of time trying to determine if there is a cheaper and more efficient way to build a unit with exactly the same stats. Very often, there is.”
    4. Tooltips / HUD
      1. Better, more informative tooltips when rolling over resources in the top bar. List the cities producing the +X resources per turn, if applicable.
      2. HUD listing what’s being built/trained...status bar to reflect it, turns to complete
      3. Empiretree: rollovers on the little squares to display the unit/building it’s affilated with
  6. Cheesing the System
    1. Demolishing housing after leveling up
      1. “...is there any downside to destroying all your houses once you have reached city level 5? I've not done it, but since cities only need houses to level up, I don't think it would be a problem. Obviously, this would likely be considered a bug, but I'm still curious if it's possible.”
      2. “you will need something like 10 houses to get your cities up to 1250 in population (max level), but once they hit level 5 you will have capacity for 2000 pops, but since there is no point in having a high population beyond going up in levels, you might as well start demolishing all those houses to make space for some more interesting buildings”
    2. more
  7. Dynasty System
    1. Numeric Kids Ages
      1. “Right now, my 25 year old sovereign has a 21 year old son. Amazing!”
      2. “I think they should just change the numerical age to a descriptor, like "child"; "youth"; "young adult" etc, if that's what they are after.”
    2. Children Stats
      1. “The dynasty thing is just... weird. Had a son grow up... he had 236 mana, regenerated 8 a turn, but had 6 INT and 1 Combat Point.”
  8. Strength of Grouping Types gets Out-Of-Control
    1. “Squads get *very* powerful. I don't think a champion-centric strategy is viable after the first half of a game.”
    2. “A company needs to be handled in combat calculations as 12 individuals where each individual gets some sort of bonus for being part of a larger team. Treating it as a single mega-unit is both counter-intuitive and has a nasty impact on the rest of the game.”
    3. “Beyond re-designing the way mob bonuses work, combat desperately needs to separate the to-hit & to-damage mechanics. But if we're in the armchair designer corner, I have a couple of pages worth of things I'd like to see included, like rules for what units can actually target, how unit morale and army morale are handled, and many, many other things. Basically, I'd like some proper wargame mechanics instead of the "simpler & more broken than Disciples 3" mess we have now.”
    4. Lots of Damage Calculation Feedback here...http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=60936&page=13
  9. Item Shop
    1. UI Improvements
      1. Need to be able to see what equipment the selected guy has / change in stats with the selected shop item
      2. “Do I really have to remember what items I have equipped when I go shopping? Really?? Because I can't.”
    2. Item Costs
      1. “Item costs are all over the map and need a balance pass.”
  10. Overall Balance
    1. Traits
      1. “The trait (talent?) "Organized" lets your Sov's army travel the same speed as your Sov. That is amazingly good from the start, but it gets ridiculous towards the end. Give your Sov a mount and a few magic items and, boom!, the whole army gets 7 moves. Traverses a medium map in a few turns.”
    2. Archers
      1. “bows need to be nerfed....[I play with] squads of bows, long or short, and a single hero. (Add an elemental or two if you need it.) Works a little bit too well.”
      2. “People who are saying Archers are too effective must have never seen catapults. THOSE are severely overpowered. Archers, however, seem to rarely kill anything.”
    3. Combat Calculations (Glass Cannons)
      1. “On first glance it looks reasonable: attacker generates damage between 1 and their attack value, defender reduces that by 1 to their defense value, and the defender takes the difference (if any) as damage. The problem is it is not unusual to get units with attack and/or defense in the 100s *but* it is almost impossible to get units (especially heroes) with that many hit points. That means if your super duper level 20 fighter with 100 attack and 100 defense runs into something like a troll the troll can kill them with one blow OR do no damage whatsoever.”
    4. Resource/GH Placement
      1. “....half the time your starting location does not have ready access to a gold mine.  This is such a crippling strategic drawback that when it occurs you would be better off immediately starting over”
      2. “Resource distribution seems off. There's far more materials than one will ever need, since the game puts heavy leaning on the necessity of gold. There needs to be more of a favoring for other resources to make it worthwhile for you to plant a city next to that Old Grove and get those extra materials.” (https://forums.elementalgame.com/394334)
      3. “I see posts about maps being devoid of resources, and others about there being so many its too crowded (I have had both experiences in different patch versions).”
      4. “There's definitely some weirdness with a lot of the things that spawn on the map. I had one game where my early adventuring and picking up the junk on the map led to me finding 3 sand golem flutes or whatever they're called within the first 5 turns. I pretty much just killed every civilization I encountered without issue Most of my other games though, I never find even a single one.”
      5. “And yes I'm about to start a new game and construct my cities like bananas so I can actually have cities that produce resources. I bitch out of love.”
      6. “I've gotten around this by typically building my cities in a crescent shape. Or bananatowns if you prefer. The only time I've had to include a resource has been when one of the discovery techs plopped one too close to a city, or I've accidentally linked a resource through the camera bug.”
        1. Scott Says: I’ve heard of people making these ‘banana-cities’...what does this mean, how does it help with resource gathering?
    5. Starting Placement
      1. “...perhaps it was an odd coincidence but in the 8-10 times I tested it I started every game in the dead center of the map surrounded by enemies (when I had four enemies).  Never once was I on the side or a corner.”
  11. Content
    1. More Items
      1. “It is almost all for melee fighters with only 2 items for archers and *nothing* for spell casters.”
      2. “Yes, the higher end hammers completely demolish anything. I'm starting to feel that the unit design system is actually leading to somewhat stale gameplay because there are no real special abilities to speak of. Every new tier of gear you get is just flat out better than the previous tier. Once I unlock lord hammers and master plate, there's no longer any decision making.” (http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=73945&page=29)
  12. Flesh out Advisor System (Janusk Improvements)
    1. https://forums.elementalgame.com/394229
    2. “...redefine the methods of Janusk-addition. Make the advisor a chargen choice (you could even associate a cost to it, so players could opt to not have an advisor if they so choose), and for those who opt to have one, increase his reputation considerably so that female sovereigns can't get married eons before male.”
  13. Minor Factions / Neutral Cities
    1. “On the note of Independent Factions, let's make them a little more useful, shall we? Right now they exist just to be conquered. They should have faction-specific items available....The imperative thing is that these are unique, including the faction-specific ones. Right now there's no unique flavor involved in these things, why buy from these entities when you can tech up the magic line and buy them from your own places? “ (https://forums.elementalgame.com/394334)
    2. “Next to do for them, make it capable to recruit mercs from them.”
  14. Random Loot
    1. The Lorebook talks about items dropped by creatures...we need those in the game!!!!
      1. Wolf Pelt icon
      2. Skath Fin icon
      3. Drake Tooth icon
      4. Dragon Egg  icon
    2. TreasureDefs held and used by UnitTypes
    3. Feedback
      1. “Getting gold from killing things is well and good, and the main way I fund my growing empire as well. However it would be nice if we got random drops now again.”
      2. “Something besides gold,  Killed a creature that in its description  that the scales from this creature were sought after to make armor... would be nice if they would drop some...  even if it took 10 or so to have something made from... would be better.. ..  ”
      3. “Make this true if I kill a sovereign who had hoarded night stones .. not my fault he came to raid stuff in my territory...  ”
  15. Item Forging
    1. I would like to see the editor revamped as something that could work in-game for item creation, taking ingredients and making cool stuff (without having to be in the workshop).
    2. Feedback
      1. “... adding a forging system would be a help, and I believe you are working on that for enchanting items and such?”
      2. “Item creation..... was looking forward to being able to enchant stuff... Sigh... ”
  16. City Spam
    1. At one time we had discussed a ‘Governing’ or ‘Administration’ ability that dictated the # of cities you could have, or total level of cities, or something...still a possibility?
    2. Building Limits / Razing Options when Conquering
      1. “There must be also some kind of mechanism to prevent building so many cites. Even when you conquer new ones, you should be able to destroy city because it is too hard to maintain or something. Because maintaining 10+ cities is ugly.”
      2. “Oh, and you guys mentioned razing cities....how do I do that? I hate capturing all of these minor civ cities that can't grow past size 1.”
  17. Summoning
    1. Feedback
      1. “Summoning [should] be done in a city that have a Summoning Circle...Summoning Circle can be researched from the Magic Tech tree...Summoning Circle [should require] at least one Crystal to be 'linked' to a city (within the city area of influence)...Can only summon creatures related to a 'linked' Crystal”
  18. Post-Victory
    1. “Am I the only one who wishes you could keep playing after "winning?"”
    2. “No hiscore-list or playback?!? I want to bask in my glory, dagnabbit!”
  19. Notable Locations
    1. “Elemental's system of having Notable Locations and NPC heroes materialize on the map when you research some completely abstract tech is just sort of weird and unthematic. Getting a new level in Notable Locations or Heroes is sort of like putting on the glasses from They Live. Suddenly, powerful heroes everywhere! Or, as in Tom's Figit post, skyscraper-sized haunted castles right next to your capital. And if you aren't on the leading edge of the research for these things, you end up exploring a map that is filled with cool things that you aren't allowed to interact with, which is just sort of frustrating.... If you want to walk in to an ancient ruin and take a stab at a Great Drake with a unit of spearmen, MoM is perfectly willing to let you try.”
    2. “I agree with a lot of your points, but I have to disagree here. I really love the way Elemental handles the notable locations, I love that I reveal more as I delve deeper (Oooh, there's an unintentional pun) into the Adventure tree. It gives an advantage for pushing hard on that tree first at the expense of some of your others. Just a matter of preference, though, both systems certainly have their merits.”
    3. More back and forth on the matter at...http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=60936&page=13

 


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on Sep 02, 2010

DrGroth
Why does Wisdom show up in character creation, but nowhere else. Why Can't I increase it when I level up? It is not even shown.

From what I read of beta threads, Wisdom and Essence seemed to continuously change function, until the end when they decided Wisdom = your starting Essence. Unfortunately, this isn't explained in the manual. So during the game you can increase your Essence, but you'll never see Wisdom again. However, they forgot to either remove or change an item in the game... a book that gives +2 to Wisdom. I would have thought that using this book would increase your Essence +2, but currently (ver. 1.06) it doesn't affect anything. They need to change it to +2 Essence.

DrGroth
I still can't figure out how the computer acknoledges the choice of a technology to be researched next. I can see it with spells, but not Techs...

In the Research screen, your technology category choice will be highlighted, and also listed on the bottom bar on the right side. When you get the Research Breakthrough screen, you immediately get whichever technology you choose, and then you choose a new technology category to research.

on Sep 02, 2010

Any progress? Please let us know how things are working out!

on Sep 02, 2010

Oh yeah and daily update on progress of patch would be nice. It just enables us to wait that "one more day".

"One more day" for a "one more turn" game feels about right. Prefererably in one central thread that you cannot reply to directly. Just the updates.

/seconded

 

Rabenhoff

on Sep 02, 2010

Well, with my new system, I've had alot more chance to play the game.  I must be one of the lucky Windows 7, 64-bit, ATI card guys, because I have all the visual settings on the highest, and visually everything is moving fine, and I am getting very few crashes.  I probably have not gotten as far into the game as many, but I have gotten pretty far.

I do have to say, aside from the tech issues gone for me, and aside from the plethora of other bugs left, I am just not finding the game overly fun to play.  Believe me, I am sooo trying to love it, this game has everything I want in a game. 

It does need a good dose of personality.  Voice overs would make a huge difference.  Have the factions have a script of things they say to you when you meet, depending on their relations with you, in ways to match their personalities  Have the monsters and bandits during battles snorting at you and yelling out insults.  More glorious battle sounds and spells.  More sound and atmosphere in general (weather?) I don't know what else.  But it just feels cold and lifeless right now.  I think it has huge potential, but by the looks of the bug list, it's not going to be for a long, long time. 

 

on Sep 02, 2010

Boogie posted this last night in another thread (in case he didn't post it here):

Unfortunatly, we've run into some issues and will have to post tomorrow (hopefully mid-day, if things go well the rest of tonight).

The big changes in 1.07 will be...
- performance boost (Q/A seeing a 15-ish FPS boost in apples-to-apples save comparisons)
- lots of memory fixes, including game-within-a-game and sound issues
- tweaked calculation of unit group battle stats (shouldn't be as powerful)
- grouped units save/load max HP info properly
- no more stacking of items for heroes (a quick fix while we compile a proper to-do list for improving champions)
- fix to the way roaming creatures level up to fix crazy-overpowered stats

on Sep 02, 2010



I do have to say, aside from the tech issues gone for me, and aside from the plethora of other bugs left, I am just not finding the game overly fun to play.  Believe me, I am sooo trying to love it, this game has everything I want in a game. 

It does need a good dose of personality.  Voice overs would make a huge difference.  Have the factions have a script of things they say to you when you meet, depending on their relations with you, in ways to match their personalities  Have the monsters and bandits during battles snorting at you and yelling out insults.  More glorious battle sounds and spells.  More sound and atmosphere in general (weather?) I don't know what else.  But it just feels cold and lifeless right now.  I think it has huge potential, but by the looks of the bug list, it's not going to be for a long, long time. 

 

There needs to be a master list to address this.

on Sep 02, 2010

I don't know if it's come up for anyone else, but I collected all pieces of the forge, and then went back to the temple to assemble them and nothing happens. Really aggravating.

on Sep 02, 2010

happened to me too, static--9.

on Sep 02, 2010

For those interested here is a recent comment by Frogboy (AKA : Stardock's CEO) on the forum about the "early release" of Elemental.

http://forums.impulsedriven.com/394855/get;2753014

Very honest... There will surely be more comments from him next week !

on Sep 02, 2010

StAtiC--9
I don't know if it's come up for anyone else, but I collected all pieces of the forge, and then went back to the temple to assemble them and nothing happens. Really aggravating.

Did you save and load the game between the time you got the quest, and the time you went back to finish it? This is a quest bug where loading  a saved game will reset the initial Quest Location back to it's starting status, and affects any quests where you need to return an item (e.g. the egg quest, the forge quest). So you can't finish the quest because when you go back to the Quest Location it's not in the state to accept the quest item. But you can't get the quest again because you already have it. It's a very bad Catch-22 If they let us delete a quest, we could at least get it again, which would be a short-term fix. I really hope some kind of fix for this bug is in patch 1.07.

The only work-around I know of is to always finish current quests before loading in the game again. So if you're going to log for the night soon, don't pick up any new quests.

on Sep 02, 2010

A few things I noticed in my last game I thought I'd share. If any of these items have been addressed elsewhere I apologize in advance.

  • First building a Bazaar (a Kingdom faction improvement) did not add anything to the % of gildar generated for the city (gildar rate was 9 before and 9 after, the Bazaar was suppose to add 50% I think).
  • Also your unable to change the names of champions with special abilities (like crushing blow, stun, etc). The options "rename unit" and "equip unit" were not in their info book. However you are able to access their inventories to equip them by clicking the little sword/shield icon in the lower right, next to the health bar.
  • Additionally you can trade with and open standard/trained units inventories. However when trading an item with a trained unit the item simply disappears. If giving standard/trained units items wasn't an intended feature it should probably be disabled.
  • Plus auto explore is really bugged. Sometimes the auto explore button will toggle of by itself and the you can't take it out of the mode properly. Also if you tell a unit to move the game should automatically take the unit out of explore mode. Instead of moving the unit one tile and then randomly jumping around.

Thanks for your time,

-ttemplar

on Sep 02, 2010

TTemplar

Additionally you can trade with and open standard/trained units inventories. However when trading an item with a trained unit the item simply disappears. If giving standard/trained units items wasn't an intended feature it should probably be disabled.


Plus auto explore is really bugged. Sometimes the auto explore button will toggle of by itself and the you can't take it out of the mode properly. Also if you tell a unit to move the game should automatically take the unit out of explore mode. Instead of moving the unit one tile and then randomly jumping around.


For the first, it would be really nice to have the ability to 'retrain' your troops and equip them with better, more damaging weapons (going along with what I mentioned earlier in this thread, that spears, axes, and bows end up obsolete near the endgame) without having to disband the unit and train them again from scratch. Pay for their equipment to be upgraded, and let them spend a few days training with the new gear.

In regards to auto explore... I've had a lot of frustration with a unit being in auto-explore when I tell them to move somewhere. Frequently they will go to the tile I clicked on, then immediately use the rest of their move wandering off in another direction, even though I'm trying to get them to do something.

 

Oh, another bug I've encountered... the Endurance spell for your units increases movement speed by 1 and has a duration of 5 turns. However, once the 5 turns are up, the spell disappears from the 'Enchantment' list  for the caster, and can be recast on the unit... but the +1 to movement doesn't go away, allowing you to keep pumping up your movement permanently.

on Sep 02, 2010

Hi, so I had a great time reading the list of things that would be fixed in the game sooner or later and I thought I would throw in a glitch (at least I am assuming it is one) that you may want to take a look at. While trying building improvements for my cities some of them are not allowing me to. When I select the improvement the symbol representing the amount of space needed is red meaning I do not have enough space to build it, even if I do. It is not a problem with being too close to another city, I checked. I found a temporary work around but it wastes my time and resources. I have to destroy one of my resource buildings (like a mine) that is within the city wall and then I am allowed to build 4 buildings, after I rebuild the mine the problem is fixed. Hope that helps...

Oh and I have been having a problem with crashing, but it is with Vista 32b and a Nvidia graphics card. I am upgrading to Windows 7 very soon so we shall see if the problem persists.

Thanks a bunch!

on Sep 02, 2010

I haven't read all the pages of the thread, so I apologize if I'm repeating someone, but I'd like to see more options when generating a new map.  Especially an option to set the density of resources (low, med, high) and the number of continents.  Controlling the frequency of forest/mountain/etc terrain would be nice too.  I'm tired of starting a new game only to realize after about half an hour that my starting position leaves me at a huge disadvantage.

on Sep 02, 2010

Been trying to read through all of the posts, but it's bedtime.  I just wanted to throw in my two cent's worth.

The magic in this game is very disappointing.  I have read several posts about spells and damage and it's true--"so-and-so does damage equal to the caster's intelligence plus any "type" shard you control".  Completely no variety or creativity here.  Same spell--different name and/or effect.  Of the myriad of tactical spells, I only use three.  I bump up my caster's intelligence with every level (two per level), and it's complete waste of my time to try to control two air shards (or whatever type) to add two more damage to what--a max of 40 damage already?  A pittance.  I was really hoping there would be a "magical economy" in this game that had some teeth.  It's *why* I bought this game... all of the hype led me to believe this was going to be a modern-day Master of Magic.

On that same thread, the mana regen is completely--I mean *completely*--wonked.  When you have 6 mana to regen, waiting 6 turns isn't all that big of a deal.  But when you get up to 30 or above, it's crazy to wait 30 turns for regen.  I know, I know, you can pass along a small amount to your heroes thus essentially doubling or tripling and so-on since they all gain one/turn, but I feel there ought to be some benefit based on shards you control.  Are you specialized in fire magic?  Then for each fire shard you control you should get one addt'l point of mana regeneration (and maybe 1/4 point from all shards not in your mastery).  Master all books of magic (a complete magical hero)--then you get a benefit from all shards you control.  This one point per turn ends up making me completely not auto-resolve battles--even easy ones.  I'll have an insane army, be attacked by a lone wolf (broken AI), and if I auto resolve it uses magic.  Boom.  Now I'm waiting 6 more rounds to regain wasted spell points. 

It just seems to me that the algorithms in this game are exceedingly simple... what begins out as balanced and relevant just doesn't scale properly.  I'm not sure if you guys know the game or not, but the simplistic and imbalanced algorithms remind me of the "Space Empires" series of games.  I expect this from a small-time, basement-office dev group, but not from guys that have released titles like GalCiv and Sins. 

Lastly, I keep unlocking new books of magic (or so it says), yet no new spells are available to me.  Maybe I just haven't climbed the ladder high enough, but even at level 11 spells I'm pretty much dealing damage that maxes at my intelligence.  Yet, I have a group of Lords (pick your unit) that can do 20 times the damage that I do and has 20 times the hit points.  I mean--at this point the heroes become completely and utterly useless.  And how exactly do spells "miss"????  That's ONE thing that could make casters relevant again.  You KNOW they're gonna deal some damage, so you're more likely to keep them in there.

Over the past few years I have become a Stardock fanboy.  GalCiv, Sins, and so-on.  Games so VERY well thought-out that I just couldn't imagine ways to improve them, and if I did have an idea, it was a minor tweak.  My mouth has been watering ever since I heard Stardock purchased the rights to Master of Magic. STARDOCK doing the next generation of MOM?  To heck with MMO games... THIS might be the WOW killer!  I'll have to admit guys, I'm deeply, deeply disappointed with this one, even excluding the sudden crashes and 1 fps speed late-game.  This is a turn-based strategy--not Crysis.

However, I do hold out hope that this game will eventually become everything the hype caused us to expect.  Stardock has ALWAYS had post-release support hat's second to none, so please don't change that policy on this title.  It would be a travesty.  Everything is mostly there... it just needs a major overhaul.

Sorry--one last blurb.  Can you please, please have the game generate random opponents?  I'm still in a state of disbelief this didn't come standard.  I have to not only choose the number of opponents, but also the specific opponents?  Give us a drop-down box allowing us to choose the # of opponents (or "random"), and then allow us to either choose the factions for each opponent or once again choose "random".  The maps are already not really randomized, and this just further kills the sense of the need for exploration. 

Okay--one last one. I promise.  I think a LOT of the issues with this game could have been mitigated with a good manual.  Heck--read through any manual and it's a way for a developer to sort-of "sales pitch" or explain why the various aspects of the game are set up the way they are.  Instead, we've been left to scratch our heads doing the "WTF were they thinking here", when, with a good manual, we might get that "a-ha!" moment to see and appreciate what you were trying to do.  I'm telling you--the lack of a good manual is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad--BAD!!!!  At this point, you guys could just grab the hundreds of stickies on the web, get an out-of-work English major to digest it, make it look pretty and sound intriguing, and distribute it as a pdf file with one of your updates. 

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