gj will test now the patch

"+ Tactical Battles: Stuck turn if you use space bar or click "Pass Turn" button while selected unit is moving.  Clicking auto-resolve will end the battle if the turn is stuck."

This one is a killer for me - accidentally do it all the time and end up auto-resolving, which often kills units which otherwise would be fine.

Glad to see all of the fixes here though, but will wait for this one to be resolved before my next game.

good job sd. I will just wait a while longer before I buy the game. At least till ATI problem people seems to have.

keep it up!

I installed the patch, and loaded up my saved game.  It ran REALLY smooth; I could seen the improvement.  But I noticed that the materials my cities were making were not being displayed (on some cities).  I checked and rechecked, but the material stat was missing on some cities (and yes, there were making materials).

Anyway, I just continued on with my game about 5 turns, and got my very first CTD.  Just "boom" and I was looking at my wallpaper.  I'm gussing this might be because it was I was playing with a different patch/version.  I did try twice more, and got a CTD within a dozen turns both times.  So I guess I'll have to start a new game from scratch. . .

Are "out of memory" ATI related bugs? I use nVidia and get them also ... I think memory leaks aren't hardware specific unless one have 8gb of RAM.

The good news is that the latest patch tripled my framerates.  The bad news is that I'm still only getting 12FPS.  Granted, I have a low-end system, so a vast improvement at any rate.  And I still prefer the cloth map.

Note that a fix for 'shards respawning on reload' did get in for 1.07...this also fixes random shards spawning in the campaign.

purple: if those crashes are reproducable, can you send the savegame file to scott@stardock.com and jesse@stardock.com?  Thanks!

As far as memory leaks go, if it's due to the hardware, then that would entail that some function being called upon by the game in reference to your graphics adapter is somehow flawed, not the game itself. Or that the game is designed with one version in mind that may have a slightly different reaction than previous versions. But a lot of people here utilize new technology and the latest drivers and still suffer the same crashes. Also, most of us have run programs that are much more sophisticated graphically speaking than EWOM.

My Out of Memory crashes always happen at the click of a button. Whether it's ending a turn (The most common) or sometimes when I'm saving (I save every turn now to avoid OOM's). On larger maps I average three turns between crashes. I've perservered into games as high as 190 turns. I pre-ordered the limited edition because I wanted to play the game, and I will play it even if I reload it every few minutes.

Anyway, the memory leaks seem to be related to the map itself, as in how much is going on with the map. The later in the game the faster it crashes. I ran a few experiment games where I didn't research anything that would cause the map to populate with new monsters or notable locations, and got much further in before crashing.

I'm thinking the crashes have something to do with the game loading everything on the map, and not unloading things from memory as they change. So if you kill twelve monsters and twelve more spawn, your memory has twenty four loaded. The fact that smaller maps support less monsters and other map/game-related loads would seem to contribute to that theory a little.

I've not skimmed through most of the forums regarding these items, and I post here because it gets frustrating that I'm still suffering OOM's constantly and without fail, even though I paid for the completed game.

I do understand how much of a pain debugging and such are. I work a lot in database administration and previously had a CEO that liked to log in behind my back and delete things he thought were 'not really needed'. Tables, fields, and even random bits of SQL. So I don't fault SD for having problems, and I appreciate the attempts at correcting them, but I won't praise them for fixing issues that should have been solved. The beta went through four phases, and technically, as far as terminology goes, the current release is beta.

The way program development (As far as I've seen it in the industry) goes, the Alpha stage is where the game itself would be hammered out. Features, graphics, and in the case of games, most of the balancing. Once the program is in a completed state, as in all features are fully fleshed out, the beta stage begins. Typically the beta is where all known bugs are found and removed prior to final production.

Now there have been many games in the past that have suffered game-ending bugs after release. These were typically obscure and fairly rare among users meaning it took time to patch them out. I remember purchasing Neverwinter Nights 2 and playing all the way till the last battle, and then there was a game ending bug in one of the triggers. My auto save had already triggered and I hadn't saved for six hours. I played through again and the bug was still there. Even after the patch I couldn't bring myself to do it again. Similarly with Mass Effect on XBox 360 (I've since obtained ME2 on PC), got to the very end, and boom, crash, after eight-nine ours of strait playing.

But this is the first game I've ever run across that has so many users, people who have paid money to this company, suffering from bugs. I saw the game at Best Buy and some Wal-Marts today as I ran errands. What happens to the casual gamer that may never actually check the forums? They'll buy the game, see it for what it is, toss it aside and in a lot of cases not even bother trying to patch it. Since most retailers don't allow for refunds of open games, anyone who follows this path may likely never purchase from SD again, hurting not only SD but their affiliates and potential future business for SD.

I think I've completely lost my point somewhere in there. But in the end, no matter what may be said, this game is still in beta, and the fact that features are still being added and the game is still being fleshed out as far as the actual game itself goes, a lot of it feels like it may not even be beta.

Edit: Upon a read-through after posting, I want to insinuate that this is in no way criticizing SD or their business practices, as I am still an adamant fan of the company. Basically Elemental itself was a let down, after viewing all the documentation videos and gameplay videos and reading all about the publishing company working with them on content, I was expecting a lot more. I'm still expecting it to play out, but at the moment I feel that the initial EWOM isn't worth as much as my copy of SINS pre-expansion. I got a lot more enjoyment out of SINS and only paid $20 originally (Sure, I paid $40 in the end so I'd have the expansions, but still). The fact is I paid almost twice as much as the full SINS cost right now and so I expect twice the game out of EWOM. SD. </3 EWOM

It is good that you are working on bugs. But there are lots of bugs more. Keep working guys, keep working...

Nice!

Played for about a half hour.  I was pretty much just going to judge on the performance, as Brad's mea culpa postings have made me think gameplay is gonna get revamped heavily. 

In terms of performance, you guys fixed a lot of what was wrong.  You still got those issues mentioned, and other things may pop up, but the game feels a hell of a lot better in terms of working.  You did a good job on this in getting Elemental into a position where the gameplay can be worked on.  Unless something pops up, I don't think stability and performance are now critical issues (though improvements can be found as always)

Sure, I have not started my new game yet, I'll see if they keep happening.

Hey for now apparently the person responsible for programming the ai is in hollidays (see the post "Uncanny valley of the moon".

So for now, just be patient, the fixes are flowing, which is a good sign.

And about "this game is not finished", well I have seen commercial games worse than that. Here at least buying the game is like supporting SD so that they can finish it. Quite unusual way of doing things, but this is still an independant company, so it creates some differences.

Anyway i still think the game will become something awesome, it will just take some time, because there are too many things to do.

But this 1.07 is much more than a "maintenance" release, too many fixes there already (even if it adds some new bugs too apparently !).

So thanks Stardock, I'll wait for your next update !



Thank you for your work on the performance, and the various gameplay fixes. 

I especially want to thank you that now alt-tab seems to work on my system, thus allowing me to post here while the game is minimized and waiting for my return. 

No one ever mentions this, but can we please get the AI Diplomacy fixed so that the AI doesn't constantly pester us to go to war with our friends and allies? Even my "hostile" adversary Kraxis demands that I join forces with him and attack my allies with whom I have every treaty available, The Altar. What makes this worse is that Kraxis has never even encountered The Altar, in diplomacy it says they Haven't Met.

STOP THE AI FROM DEMANDING THAT WE GO TO WAR WITH OUR FRIENDS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THE AI HAS NOT EVEN ENCOUNTERED THE FACTION THEY'RE PROPOSING A WAR AGAINST

But great patch, don't let me seem ungrateful, this is just an issue that seems overlooked and I'm trying to call it to your attention.